tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2265659668411443893.post7820486877280801581..comments2023-11-02T02:20:42.056-07:00Comments on The Ephemeral Frontier: Hell is watching other people shop -- United Nations CitizensDiohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14266713613721430111noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2265659668411443893.post-44174067593713557432020-01-12T00:53:52.332-08:002020-01-12T00:53:52.332-08:00I am impressed. I don't think Ive met anyone w...I am impressed. I don't think Ive met anyone who knows as much about this subject as you do. You are truly well informed and very intelligent. You wrote something that people could understand and made the subject intriguing for everyone. Really, great blog you have got here. <a href="https://earnonlinetips.com/jiorockers/" rel="nofollow">Jiorockers</a>Mubashir Khatrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13051806786892872929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2265659668411443893.post-42351784705705701692017-02-18T08:31:47.893-08:002017-02-18T08:31:47.893-08:00ROBLOX is powered by an ever growing player base o...<b><a href="http://games-mmo.syntaxlinks.com/r/Roblox" rel="nofollow">ROBLOX</a></b> is powered by an ever growing player base of over 300,000 creators who provide an infinite variety of highly immersive experiences. <br /><br />These experiences range from 3D games and contests, to interactive adventures where friends can take on new personas to explore what it feels to be a dinosaur, a miner working a mine or an astronaut on a space exploration.Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287821785570247118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2265659668411443893.post-39916955742472914632010-01-24T18:25:25.922-08:002010-01-24T18:25:25.922-08:00All in a day's work, Dio ;)
Seriously, I'...All in a day's work, Dio ;)<br /><br />Seriously, I'd like to see SL get some heavy competition -- and some other worlds to visit, too, as long as they're worth sticking my virtual foot in the door. Meanwhile, I've created an OpenSim in my computer: the ultimate sandbox! And I'll prolly hook it up to OSGrid someday.<br /><br />Seems appropriate that we've ended up using your blog to trade notes. The current state of virtual worlds reminds me of the time period you embrace in your RP, just as civilization begins to "tame the Wild West". Seems to me, there was a Land Rush or two back then that came to no good end.Lalo Tellinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07711076861284942835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2265659668411443893.post-83756168925930210092010-01-24T17:57:27.940-08:002010-01-24T17:57:27.940-08:00Hey Dale,
Yeah, I can see your point about it co...Hey Dale, <br /><br />Yeah, I can see your point about it could be so bad that instead of being something that got people interested in doing more, it might just turn them into VW haters. <br /><br />But I hope not. But who knows? Maybe even if it does blow, it might whet someone's appetite to try other things. Cone on, work with me here Dale, I'm trying to be Little Mary freakin' Sunshine and find some kind of goddam silver lining in this pile of turkey turds.<br /><br />hey Lalo,<br /><br />Yeah...my "Uncle and Auntie Avatar." <br /><br />*sighs* <br /><br />I took a look at the other blog you listed there--yeah I think we're all on the same page. Good job tying everything together, Lalo.Diohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14266713613721430111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2265659668411443893.post-10110734116403971622010-01-24T09:41:07.028-08:002010-01-24T09:41:07.028-08:00The ripples spread -- found this blog through a li...The ripples spread -- found this blog through a link at SLU:<br /><br />http://rock-vacirca.blogspot.com/2010/01/united-nations-citizen-is-this-for-real.html<br /><br />Meanwhile... someone connected with UNC created a Twitter account:<br /><br />http://twitter.com/uncavatar<br /><br />(Uncavatar must be AuntieAvatar's husband, y'think?)<br /><br />When I discovered that (at the UNC website, yesterday), I tweeted at them with links to this blog, Botgirl's, and mine. No reply -- surprised?Lalo Tellinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07711076861284942835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2265659668411443893.post-24709879451340048772010-01-24T09:23:40.860-08:002010-01-24T09:23:40.860-08:00Marketing sputum, exactly! :) I am adding this h...Marketing sputum, exactly! :) I am adding this here weblog to my (sadly neglected) Google Reader list at once.<br /><br />Note that it's "an sales agent", to be precise...<br /><br />(And that line about "girls that service the stars of the show" is beyond surreal. I mean, wtf? I'm suspecting that between you and Lalo and me, we've now put more thought into that website than the owner has.)<br /><br />As for wanting them to succeed, I dunno. I mean, I can see a possible utility to 'training wheels' worlds for the less neophilic; but I'm concerned that anyone visiting a world put together by an organization this clueless and sloppy would just get a negative impression of virtual worlds in general, which would be a pity...Dale Innishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02771522211082181738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2265659668411443893.post-85699718899438508932010-01-23T10:29:46.433-08:002010-01-23T10:29:46.433-08:00Hey Lalo,
Yeah, I noticed that too...it seemed to...Hey Lalo,<br /><br />Yeah, I noticed that too...it seemed to be very carefully worded in such a way that you can infer there might actually be some from of limited relationship, but that the dog food folks aren't exactly 100% on board.<br /><br />It felt not so much like a "clarification" as a disclaimer....that if this project doesn't get off the ground they'll be able to say "oh no we weren't really a part of that."<br /><br />I wonder too about the exact nature of Cisco's part in all this. The way that a lot of blogger interpreted this announcement was that this was a project being spearheaded by Cisco. However, if you do a search on "Cisco" and "United Nations Citizens," the results are rather iffy. If you look at their official press release you will see a quote from someone who is "World Wide Customer Solutions Manager of Marketing with Cisco Digital Media Creative Services." The quote however, doesn't really say much about the UNC project per se--it's just a little boilerplate promoting what Cisco Digital Media Creative Services can do for companies in the future. If you go to look up "Cisco Digital Media Creative Services" you will find the following pdf which is mostly about "digital signage":<br /><br />http://www.cisco.com/en/US/services/ps2961/ps9908/ps9910/DM_Creative_Services_SO.pdf<br /><br />So...does that mean that Cisco isn't exactly in the leading role that everyone implies for this? Are they just a provider of some of the technology, in the same way that "Harris Digital" is identified as a technology provider for the project on another one of the back pages of the web site?<br /><br />I have no idea. My brain hurt after a few minutes of looking at the marketing sputum from Cisco and Harris. Maybe you can have better luck at figuring out what is actually going on there Lalo.Diohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14266713613721430111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2265659668411443893.post-36292104362715174962010-01-23T09:55:19.907-08:002010-01-23T09:55:19.907-08:00Hey Dale,
Thank you for stopping by and commentin...Hey Dale,<br /><br />Thank you for stopping by and commenting. Yeah, I can think of some of the jobs I did as a teenager as being analogous to working as a "sales agent at one of the many sores."<br /><br />And yes...you're not the first person to speculate that this particular barnyard avian may never flap its tiny wings and actually fly. <br /><br />But at the same time...I wish them well. I hope they get the help they need to get it airborne. I really think it is possible that the more examples there are of this type of "virtual worlds with training wheels," the more people will get used to the idea of utilizing them as an aspect of their daily lives.<br /><br />Places like this UNC concept could conceivably serve as stepping stones that would encourage a growing population of users to try a simple VW and then move on to explore other platforms that are more challenging to use, but which offer greater creative and functional potential.<br /><br />But still for many of us...we're not going to have much interest in being a sales agent at a sore. For that matter I wouldn't be real excited about about being one of the "girls that service the stars of the show."<br /><br />If I wanted to do that, it's just a short tp to Zindra.Diohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14266713613721430111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2265659668411443893.post-63514521137590287512010-01-23T07:52:00.920-08:002010-01-23T07:52:00.920-08:00@Dale: Funny thing about that... The first commen...@Dale: Funny thing about that... The first comment I got on <a href="http://bit.ly/66Ro5a" rel="nofollow">my blog</a> about it was from the marketing head of the pet supply company who sponsors the TV program alleged to be one of the "partners" in UNC -- and it was pretty easy to read as disavowal.<br /><br />*sardonic chuckle*Lalo Tellinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07711076861284942835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2265659668411443893.post-42584908011271713122010-01-23T07:03:45.216-08:002010-01-23T07:03:45.216-08:00Sharp an' funny post! And omg omg omg the pdf...Sharp an' funny post! And omg omg omg the pdf really *does* say "Become an sales agent at one of the many sores"! hahahahaha<br /><br />There is a chance that this world will succeed, but only if the people designing the world are a completely different set of people than those designing the website, and that seems pretty unlikely. I will go out on a limb and bet a donut that this whole thing will be forgotten six months from now (if it hasn't been already). I get an extra donut if they get a Cease and Desist order from Cisco or one of their other Big Name Partners, demanding that they stop name-dropping them. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2265659668411443893.post-13074790339204257892010-01-18T18:00:46.654-08:002010-01-18T18:00:46.654-08:00Thank you Lalo
I went and looked at your post abo...Thank you Lalo<br /><br />I went and looked at your post about it too, and I think you did a great job at getting at more of the background on this deal--the who's who that is pretty damn interesting. Well done and thanks for the link!Diohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14266713613721430111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2265659668411443893.post-79503316607334599742010-01-18T16:25:37.453-08:002010-01-18T16:25:37.453-08:00I give major kudos to Dio and this post in my own ...I give major kudos to Dio and this post in my own on the topic: "Vaporworld"<br /><br />http://bit.ly/66Ro5aLalo Tellinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07711076861284942835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2265659668411443893.post-15633632650830344662010-01-15T01:07:25.291-08:002010-01-15T01:07:25.291-08:00Hey Matt!
Yeah, I watched the videos and everythi...Hey Matt!<br /><br />Yeah, I watched the videos and everything, mostly because I was hoping there might be more actual details hidden somewhere, but also because as painful as it was, sometimes even doing that sort of thing beats doing actual work.<br /><br />Actually the thing that surprised me was that they didn't show much in the way of avatars, particularly female ones. The videos showed a world that was largely empty--most of the storefronts seemed to have nothing in them, not even dummied up. They could have overcome that a little just by having some other people standing around. And why did the avatars they did show run everywhere they went? No walking anim worked out yet? Or is their vision of a world based on shopping so compelling to them that they figure you're just going to want to dash from one store display to the next?<br /><br />But no women? In a world that relies heavily on shopping? Qu'est-ce que Fuck quoi?!<br /><br />Is this just going to be some kind of hopeless sausage fest? Shit boys, if that's the case then you REALLY should be showin' off some shots of bimbo-tars with big hair, small skirts and gravity-defying upper decks.<br /><br />In all seriousness--like I said above--I really got the feeling that they rushed this, and they needed to be a bit more up front that the promotional material at this stage of things is just a teaser.<br /><br />That said, yes, you're right, I didn't come down perhaps as hard as I could have, because to be fair, this IS just a teaser. Who knows what the final experience is actually going to look like or feel like? I want to give these guys a chance to actually show me what they got.<br /><br />Mind you, of course I'm going to be hard to impress. After all, I've seen things these fuckers probably wouldn't believe...attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion...or was that O'Ryan?<br /><br />So yeah, if they do better than it looks like they are going to do, I will give them all the credit in the world. But if they do what their promotional material suggests they are going to do, yeah, I will hang the "feckless turd" sign around their necks and frogmarch them around the parade ground.<br /><br />But I bet you dollars to donuts this if this particular new VW does end up having anything redeeming going for it, it's going to be some aspect or element or activity that the "customers" introduce to it.Diohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14266713613721430111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2265659668411443893.post-87490532991271116882010-01-14T23:37:28.621-08:002010-01-14T23:37:28.621-08:00Nice writeup, I'm impressed you cut them so mu...Nice writeup, I'm impressed you cut them so much slack. Their website is amateur at best; and did you watch the promotional video?! Holy cow, LOL. My first thought was: Far Cry without guns, then they brought in the guns! ROFL!<br /><br />I kept thinking to myself 'what about this hasn't already been done in SL 5 years ago, and failed?' I couldn't come up with anything. TBH I kinda like watching the corpies floundering around the metaverse, it seems the only thing they care about is making money, and quite frankly that bores me even more than the prospect of being dragged along on one of my girlfriend's weekend shopping trips.<br /><br />Can't wait to see how this turns out.Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13167273849606734547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2265659668411443893.post-10289304431078084092010-01-14T13:03:36.960-08:002010-01-14T13:03:36.960-08:00Hey Rhia,
Yeah I have heard that argument before,...Hey Rhia,<br /><br />Yeah I have heard that argument before, but I'm not entirely convinced. I think it's just an excuse for being lazy, because bad grammar, spelling, punctuation etc. in fact makes the communication of the meaning more problematic. It sure doesn't help any. And that's the thing with this web site. You have to re -read things a couple of times to get the idea about what they mean exactly. <br /><br />In a business context, that ain't good.<br />My suspicion is that they may actually be using outsourced offshore copywriters, which would explain why the text reads like it is written by someone who is not a native speaker of English. <br /><br />This seems to be an increasingly common practice because it is, of course, cheap. And for many businesses these days, cheap is apparently more important than effective.<br /><br />And yes, when they say "good wages" I am not sure they're defining it the same way I would. Paypal micropayment tips or a 1% commission on sales seems rather slim.Diohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14266713613721430111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2265659668411443893.post-79015398472351867472010-01-14T12:56:30.804-08:002010-01-14T12:56:30.804-08:00hey headburro...yeah..I know..but like I say in th...hey headburro...yeah..I know..but like I say in the piece, trying to put a goddam happy smiley face on things, maybe the positive aspect of this is that it will get new users introduced into the world of VWs and then they will be hopped up for trying something that has more depth and is more of a challenge. I guess that's kind o the theory that the Labsters are working on with their hopes and dreams of making it easier to enter and start using SL (and have a nice pre-fab home already set up, to boot). It's just that they are hoping people will get started and make the jump to the more challenging aspects of SL, rather than jumping to another VW.Diohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14266713613721430111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2265659668411443893.post-89038064181971437062010-01-14T10:20:58.705-08:002010-01-14T10:20:58.705-08:00Dio, I agree with you (up to and including the tit...Dio, I agree with you (up to and including the title - God, I bore ME when I shop). It sure sounds like a virtual world of nothing but shopping, which seems deadly dull. The inabilityi to hire someone to write or copy edit makes one wonder about how serious these people are. The claim that one can earn "good" wages seems at odds with the job descriptions (tips via Paypal? Uh-huh). While the idea that I can interact with a salesperson regarding, say, an iPod while in the comfort of my living room has some appeal, the whole avatar (or " 'avatar' " or " 'Avatar' " or "AVATAR" - can't they agree on how to write it?) plus virtual world seems like a hell of a lot of overhead for what I can accomplish by going to a company web site and calling their 800 number.<br /><br />And yet... are we all just old farts missing something about what younger people like to do? For example, I've noticed two related trends: young people often claim that spelling, grammar, and punctuation don't matter, that only what you "mean" matters; and the venerable Washington Post has fired a whole lot of editors and the quality of its writing and copy editing has gone downhill. Do we attach too much importance to the fact that this looks like amateur hour, because, to the target audience, the first-draft-quality press release is just A-OK? Is the whole concept really the 21st century equivalent of teens hanging out in the mall?<br /><br />God help us either way.Rhianon Jamesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13627163137265856251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2265659668411443893.post-36343106369336732642010-01-14T08:59:59.344-08:002010-01-14T08:59:59.344-08:00Well I'm not into Facebook and don't want ...Well I'm not into Facebook and don't want to go shopping - so if that is all it has to offer them I'm out before it starts. I need a V world to be a sandbox like SL is - I need to be able to build stuff, well I don't as I suck but I other to be able to so they can build cool things like Kahruvel or Steelhead or Deadwood or a gazelle skin. If it's just come, chat, buy, dance then I'm sorry UNC, but I'm busy doing one of a million things in SL I can't in your world.<br /><br />Of course, these are IFs and won't apply to vast numbers of people for many reasons, I'm just saying how it's likely to impact, or rather not impact, on me ;)HeadBurro Antfarmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10855762117761362578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2265659668411443893.post-88638927273534994802010-01-14T07:26:58.127-08:002010-01-14T07:26:58.127-08:00Priceless writing Dio, lmao!Priceless writing Dio, lmao!Master GlenDevonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03531785053965192324noreply@blogger.com